natural treatment for Alzheimer's disease

coast to coast am from nashville tennessee this ismysterious matters for those who dare to think and ladies and gentlemen today wehave on eve harold. eve is currently a science writer specializing in issuesat the intersection of science and society and the past eve has been thedirector of public affairs for the american psychiatric association and thedirector of public policy research and education for the genetics policyinstitute now folks if you were given the opportunity to extend your life forsay a hundred years maybe more would you what if by signing up for suchprocedures you are able to reverse aging

and gain a network of intelligencederived from nanotechnology well today we are going to touch on those topicsand so much more if after listening to this program you are interested inlearning more about eve harold learning more about the topic does have a veryfascinating book out titled beyond human and i'll cutting-edge science isextending our lives and you can find that by going to mysterious matters.com/ beyond human and speaking of mysterious matters.com if you haven'tchecked out the website lately please take a look at the website i'veupdated the look as a matter of fact that was going to go with a pure htmldesign i designed it by hand and then i

realized that's going to take a bitlonger to update every single page then i would like even about what to do a fewphp includes it was going to take a little bit too long so i decided i wasgoing to learn how to style wordpress a bit more than i already knew and i ammostly satisfied with the way the website looks now more design work isgoing to go into it and a few things are going to have to be changed but for themost part it really looks nice now i know a lot of you may be wondering wherei've been why there hasn't been a show lately wellit's a matter of different things really in august fourth we found out thatmorning my dogs star had cancer she

hadn't been sick that long at all really and once we found out she was sick wetook it to the doctor and then a week later they wanted us to bring her backfor a cat scan is what we did in august the fourth thursday august the fourth wetook her in for the cat scan came back and we learned that she had an advancedstage of cancer had spread throughout her body the doctor wasn't able to tell us howmuch time she actually had left he recommended that we could put her downor we could have him give us some medicine to try and see if that wouldhelp her deal with the pain help her get

a little bit better to extend her lifejust a little bit longer and that's the route we decided we would go with to seeif we could extend your life a little bit longer i mean it's hard to put downa loved one . and star is very much a family member i know some of you may notunderstand that but stars as much a family member as a cousin you know sheshe really didn't mean that much to me to my brother to my mother to my dad andbut she died that night she died at 8pm when august the fourth the very next dayon august the field to drill down to my parents house and i dug a grave for mybrother and i we dug a grave for star what should have only taken a couple ofhours took eight nine hours because of

the fact that here in tennessee we haverocks everywhere if you start digging in the ground you're going to hit rocksregardless of where you are and in that was the case we just hit rock after rockafter rock and on top of that it was a hot summer day but we did it it was thelast thing we could do for her so we did that the ladies and gentlemen let's getto our guests their guests again is eve harold be welcome to the show thank you so much it's great to have youhere with us and i've been reading your book it's a fascinating read the reasonwhy i want to have you on the show today is to discuss the book but the mainreason is because i've had personal

experiences with individuals who havehad had a medical issues such as diabetesthe kidneys have failed such as my father who in 2008 both of his kidneysfailed on him he died three times on my flight another couple of times in thehospital and he was on dialysis for six-and-a-half years we didn't know atthat time but the life expectancy is between five and ten years yes had artificial kidney has been aavailable to him he could have still been alive today that's definitely possible and damn youknow dialysis isn't really a perfect to

answer either because the dialysismachine doesn't really do all of the functions that a kid me would do butthere are artificial kidneys and development now particularly out in atthe university of california san francisco that will perform anymore thefood kidney functions than dialysis doesn't would actually give patients abetter quality of life i don't think living with die out dialysis is really aperfect answer it was that your father's experience yeah i mean he reached he started toregain his strength afterwards but it always drained him dialysis alwaysdrained him he was going three times a

week eventually went down to twice a week hewould regain his strength but every time you went to dialysis and it's the casefor everybody that does that they lose their strength and i guess they'realways cold because my dad was always cold even in 70 degrees 75 degreetemperatures he was always code well yeah the people that i talk to whowere suffering from kidney disease when i was researching this book said thatafter a day on dialysis all they could do with go home and crawl into bed andstay there for about 24 hours and then after that they would start to feelbetter the effects of the dialysis would

kick in and they would feel better butthen over time over a matter of days toxins would continue to build up in thebody and then you would have all of those side effects and feel sick untilyour next dialysis you know session so it you know having anartificial kidney would be so much better for these people in terms of justhaving continuity of the filtering of the poisons in the blood so that theydon't build up in the blood and the actual kidney that i write about in thebook is a combination of several technologies and includes a courseobviously wireless computing nanotechnology a cell technologyincorporates an actual cells kidney

cells that are going from the patient'sown body so that they can't be rejected and you put all those things togetherand you have a very very powerful technology that would be not a bridge totransplant in other words something that would kind of keep people alive untilthe biological organisms along but an actual permanent implant that they wouldkeep for you know we don't know how long but potentially for a good long time andthen as the technology gets improved upon obviously you would every so often youwould want to go in and maybe replace the unit and and upgrade the technologybut i i think this is in the works this

axis this is called the kidney projectand it's going to be going into clinical trials trials in 2017 that's great it'salready shown proof of principle and animals so we know there's a lot of hoperiding on this particular unit but there's a lot of others going onto inthe us and in and in america some of them involve a wearing a device on ourbelt that's not ideal because you will still need to have some kind ofconnection to the blood system so you would have some kind of open incision onour honor ongoing basis to get the blood you know filtering through this deviceso that's not a perfect too you know the answer to the problem but ithink that we even that would be better

than dialysis just because it'scontinuous filtration you know and that would definitely be better than thecurrent solution which is uh someone donating a kidney and i believe thehospital tell my father that he would have to get a replacement every 10 or 15years because they won't last much longer than that that's right and not many people knowthat uh no organ transplant is permanent and and that goes for hearts and lungsand and all the organs that get transplanted what happens is that you'resuppressing the body's immune system for years and years to so that it won'treject the organ but sooner or later at

some point down the line your body is going to reject that oregonand when that becomes overwhelming then you either have to get anotherbiological organ which is hard to get hard to find or you get an artificialorgan or or you know you just simply don't get treatment so now thattransplants don't last forever unfortunately they they don't hmm now you mentioned possibly wearing adevice on a belt to help with the dallas's treatment or the artificialkidney and along similar lines is that a lot of people depend on similar types ofdevices such as continuous glucose

meters and summon pumps from adults twochildren they depend on these every single day just to be able to live so itwould be great it would be awesome ill somehow one daywith they would come out with an artificial pancreas or something alongthose lines to help these individuals from adults two children to no longer betied down to these devices yeah yeah and i know that people whohave insulin time to do still have highs and lows in their blood yes and i justbecause the the pump can't really react as quickly as a human pancreas wouldyour blood sugar can shoot up or cry ash and very very quickly and uh and andyou know and cause you all kinds of

terrible symptoms there is an artificial can't pancreasand development though that would actually read your your blood sugarreadings much more quickly and react more quickly you know an artificialpancreas is something that obviously would help just thousands of people ifnot millions of people and the technology is coming along we're notquite there we have a permanently implantable artificial pancreas but asthe technologies that support these type of instruments are maturing and comingtogether and converging were probably maybe i don't know maybe 20 years or soaway from having a permanently

implantable artificial pancreas thatwill be close to the function of an actual pancreas and certainly extendlife yes speaking of his standing lives atthe opening of your book i have it in front of me i have to look at it but iknow you mentioned something about in the need in the future out know how nearof a future that we could potentially live to be $time to 300 years old andyou speak about that because you have spoken to the leading edge scientistsmedical its purchase cetera what are we looking at as far asextending our lives in the next 50 years what's available to us in the next 50years well i think that definitely there

are a lot of people alive today who aregoing to see their lifespan increased beyond anything that they have everanticipated i think this is coming more soonerrather than later and i say that because there are drugs in it in developmentright now that have been shown to increase the lifespan there's a drugcalled rapamycin gotten a good bit of publicity rapamycin has been shown to stan life and mice by up to twentypercent now i wrote about this in my book and i thought it was a veryexciting discovery but just last week there was a study that came out anothermouse study using rapamycin and giving

it to the mice when their middle age mysay the equivalent of a 55 60 year old human and giving it to them for alimited amount of time something like 90 days and then stopping the rapamycin andthe drug was sound to actually extend the mouth life stand by forty percent sothat's actually you know i mean inhuman that would be something like maybe 35years of life extension so i think that there will be things along the way thatwill help us to stay younger not to age as aggressively as perhaps we do todayand that one of these developments will build on another and then we will manyof the people alive today will reach the point where we have really radical lifeextension through technologies such as

nanomedicine mhm in the near futurewould we be able to utilize stem cells with the nanotechnology as in usingnanotechnology to drive stem cells or whatever into the human body and allowsomething to grow like inserted into or whatever into the kidneys and regrowkidneys something like that well i think that's one of the mostexciting areas of science right now and yeah certain tissues have already beengrown in the lab using stem cells and whole bladders have been grown thatfunction that have been transplanted into animals that actually do whatthey're supposed to do i think that this is a really exciting area stem cells aregoing to be combined with other

technologies such as the artificialkidney where you there are certain things that a human cells do better thananything that we can design at this point so by incorporating those cellsinto other technologies and combining them in the right way might potentially do that but there'salso the hope that in the future we'll be able to grow more organs using stemcells that are taken from the patient's body and the reason why this is soexciting is not not only because you have a brand-new functioning organ butthose cells would be perfectly

genetically match to the patient andcannot be rejected so you would have if you if you grew your an organ from yourown self that actually would be a permanent implant mm you know that's take me back to amovie i wants all about what was it called the island i believe it was ofhis time around because something is dr. marell it was something like that it wasan island the medical facility that was growing clones of rich human beingsanytime the rich beings became ill like cancer or anything else they would cometo claim their clone that they would take the brain out the clown replacepractically killed that clone and

replace the brain so it's not going tobe exactly like that but we will be growing a farm of body parts that'salmost what it sounds like right well i think that you know first of all you'renot going to grow another human being because if you clone a human being andany and closer all they are simply is they're twins they're identical twins sowe already have clones in nature if you had an adult person and you cloned theirdna to create another whole person that person would start at the embryo stageso you would have to wait for that person to grow up and mature and asidefrom the social and legal problems you would have with actually killingsomebody you know to harvest their

organs i think what's more realistic is that what we'll be doing isthat taking self from the person and just taking say for example a kidneystem cells or new neural stem cells and growing them in the web to the size andfunctionality that you want them to be at the time of transplant and thentransplanting those into the person i don't think this is anything i don'tthink anybody's working on actually cloning human beings at this point but imean the technology is very promising yes let's hope not at least that wouldbe terrifying

well it would be terrifying and it's notsomething that a we want to do i mean i think most people if you ask them wouldyou like to be cloned i don't think most people would say amen i don't think iwant another person you know exactly like me walking around sometimes on abusy work day i wish i had a cologne but i i think what we're looking at hisorgans tissues and body parts which would be you know genetically matchedand outperform any kind of transplant would we be doing that at the verybeginning stages of life such as afterbirth taking stem cells from theumbilical cord or would we start when the person is 10 years or 15 years ofage to start growing new body parts for

them in case they need it well you know people actually startedsaving their child umbilical cord blood quite a few years ago i i would sayaround the mid-2000s a lot of people started to save those that freesand-and-and bank the umbilical cord blood of their children and i think thatwas a really good move and i certainly if i were having a baby in this day andage i would do that you know there's different sources of stem cells and theymay have different potential so their stem cells that are you know pluripotentmeaning that they can become any cell type of the human body and so far we'vefound them in embryonic stem cells

that's not the same thing as umbilicalcord stem cells the umbilical cord stem cells may not have a completepluripotency where they can become any cell type in the human body but throughthe right kind of cell cultures and the right kind of coaxing we may be able toturn them into a very large array of different types of stem cells and usethose at whether it's to grow you know tissue whether it's to grow new hearttissue when somebody has a damaged heart or to grow new neural tissue if someonehas brain damage or are some kind of neurodegenerative disease those cellshas our are they they obviously have a lot of versatility we don't know how farwe can go with adult stem cells but it's

been very very promising and a i meansat sell the adults at self has been turned into a very versatile multipotentstem cell so i think if we can just learn how to work with these cellscorrectly that there there's a tremendous amount of potential there mhm speaking of fat cells i remember inyour book you mentioned how scientists have pinpointed the fat gene and havebeen able to turn it off in mice but should we go there for a human beingshould we be manipulating a gene that tells us whether we're dormant in lifeindulging our appetite little bit too much or maybe that we have serioushealth issue should be be turning out

something that might be beneficial to usto realize something's wrong well that's a good point and and i thinkthat we need to be cautious going forward and whether or not we actuallyswitch on or off jeans and human beings but you raise an interesting point andthat's that there's a lot of research going on in animals that don't ageeither don't age or age very very slowly and the goal behind this kind ofresearch is that eventually at some point scientists will be able to isolatelittle snippets of dna is that code for agingsay for example more for obesity for

example and then they may be able totake these animals snippets of dna and insert them into human cells so that daybut will become incorporated into the human genome into the individuals genomeand then be able to treat aging that way that that's definitely a possibilityit's called data mining and you know nature data mining and like i said imean there's a lot of species out there not all of them aged the way we dothere's a species of a aquatic creature called a hydra that doesn't age at allthere's an octopus it actually is able to revert to an infantile state wellover and over ahead and mature and grow and become an adult and then revertagain and again and again and it

basically is immortal until it's killedby some type of predator our accident so you know this is exciting and i thinkit's going to go forward and i i think we need to be careful obviously you know when you're changingthe genome you may be affecting one thing that you're not intending toeffect and i and i think we have to be very careful about that but i thinkthere's a lot of potential there you know what i would like to seeeventually happen is for them to do something to our genetics to create abenjamin button human being we are born hold and get younger

wouldn't that be great it won't be untilyou get to the baby stage and who's going to take care of you well that's the thing it has to fix itso that you only went back to the age of 18 and then start the process over againthat would be awesome yeah but now with nature data mining upand this is gonna be a huge ethical issue religious issue was thepossibility that scientists could one day create a mythological creaturehalf-human half-beast at very unlikely just because it you know the genomes of the variousspecies are very very different

no i don't know that that's possiblehowever you know it is possible and legal to create a time areas in the labso when you're talking you know very tiny species species that might be awell for example you can you can take genes from a jellyfish and transplantthem into a dog or a cat and they will glow in the dark so the genes that codethat allow jellyfish the glow-in-the-dark can be isolated in andthen inserted into other animals that will then show that trait i don't thinkyou could cross a jellyfish with a cat because the two species are so radicallydifferent and you know i mean i think nature actually does have some limit ithink we can do some limited work in

this area i'm not sure you can actuallycross a man in a sheet and come up with the dr. murrow's island scenario youknow where you have like a 50-50 type of creature darkness i was hoping to becomespider-man yeah well you might be able to spin websi mean that might be possible haven't really looked into that one well i'm not sure i'd like where it wasgoing to come out of it was gonna come out my hands would be one thing buthowever that comes out spotter so yeah alright with the future technologies forspending beyond human how would that affect individuals with alta alzheimer'sdisease

well and you know that that's a bigissue to consider when you talk about life extension and i think no one wouldwant to have radical life extension and and have alzheimer's disease so there iswork going on no that's really a very different and you know we've had drugsin the past that kind of work for a period of time on alzheimer's then they stop working so we don'treally have any super effective therapy to present or stop or cure alzheimer'sbut i interview the doctor who is working on something called deep brainstimulation and this is something that people with epilepsy and parkinson'shave been getting for years and years

i'm it entails it's slightly invasiveand entails and inserting a tiny tiny little wire into a certain part of thebrain and then sending a mild electrical pulses through that wire to stimulatethat part of the brain a special part of the brain that's worked very very wellin people with epilepsy and parkinson's help to reduce trimmers and things alongthat nation what it says it stimulate certain neurons and you have yourneurons that have specialized purposes so for example in a parkinson's patientwhat they're missing is the neurons neuronal activity that creates the nearthe neurotransmitters dopamine so if you can if you can somehow stimulate thosecells the cells that are underperforming

and get them to to secrete dopamine andto you know pass it on to others to other brain cells then you really havemade a big you know improvement and functionality now what the doctor that i interviewedis doing is he's doing the same sort of thing with alzheimer's patients so he'sinserting he's identified a part of the brain that is a responsible for thingslike judgment and decision-making the things that deteriorated in very earlyon in alzheimer's disease and so he's putting these little leads in andsending very mild to make electrical pulses through them to see if this willactually take the parts of the brain

that are still working and protect themand keep them functioning longer now you know this is an experimental tate stagesis being done in humans i you know my impression from talking tohim is that there is a good deal of promise from this research but it'sstill very early so we don't know if that's going to pan out but we do knowthat the brain is very plastic so the brain can rewire itself and if youcontinually stimulate certain parts of the brain the brain will respond bycreating we use cells by creating new connections and like creating eurotransmitters so theoretically i think it's on solid ground but we'll see howit pans out into a huge issue it is it

is and i know a lot of people becamemore aware of it when i michael j thoughts came out saying that he hadparkinson's disease and yeah i guess he's done a lot of work to bring thatbring this issue to the forefront and trying get something done he has andhe's a promoter of stem cell research because that's another promising areafor brain diseases you know it neurons have been grown in the lab i mean weknow that we can do that we know that you can take neuron neurons that weregrown from stem cells in the lab and transplant them into animals brains andthat those neurons will sprout connections and kind of wire themselvesinto the neural circuitry and function

with the as though they were just youknow a natural part of the brain mhm when we speak of stem cells yearsago many years ago i guess 2006 or so what was it 10 years ago i think maybehe wrote a book called stem cell wars is there still wore when it comes to stemcells from religious groups or anybody else well you know i'm not aswell versed in that field as i used to be just because i've gone on andimmersed myself in other areas so on but i can tell you that the restrictions onresearch were lifted when president obama came into office so at the timethat book was written you had very very limited federal funding for embryonicstem cell research and that has lifted

so you know i think it's it's a muchbetter research environment now than you had ten years ago in that field i'm a southern baptist i was born andraised in southern baptist but i kind of move myself away from it a little bitbecause you have to have an open mind to do these types of shows etc and i thinkthe reason for stem cell wars as you put it was that there was a hugemisconception on where these stem cells were coming from and if babies weregoing to be killed for it or he said i mean that's the stuff i was hearing frommy mother and other people that on you in the south just heat misconception

well there was a lot of misinformationthat was out there you know and and what happened is the issue got co-opted bythe anti-abortion movement and and there was a message that was being you knowrepeated over and over that he had to destroy see this is to get stem cellsand you had to you know you know stem cell research was somehow predicated onabortion and the reality is that i mean you could never have another abortionand still embryonic stem cell research would still go forward the reason thatit's still it still goes forward is because the cells that the pluripotentcells that i talked about actually are taken from very very early stage embryos

so you're talking a fertilized egg andthe very first few days and of cellular division and these are obtained from idfclinics so ivf clinics as you probably know when when people go throughfertility a treatment they create many moreembryos then the person will ever implant so usually what happens is thatthe couple will implant a certain number of embryos and when they have the numberof children that they want the leftover embryos so to speak are disposed of andso you know there was a lot of push in the scientific community to say insteadof disposing of these embryos why don't we use them for stem cell research andthat's kind of a connection to birth you

may or may not be in favor of usingthose embryos for research but it is not something that you you would predicatedon abortion if you if you had a you know say a three-month-old fetus theywouldn't have pluripotent stem cells do it it's p you're gone beyond that stageso there was a lot of misunderstanding and a lot of confusion about the topicfor quite a while yes even if you were at a stage in yourlife where you had the ability to enhance yourself to live another hundred200 300 years what would you do because i know it's an ethical issue it's aissue that each individual have to discuss with their family members butwhat would you do

well i what i would do if the technologywere their mom is i i would opt for a nanotechnology treatment that's whenyou're talking really advanced technology and it's actually a lot moresimple than it sounds at nanotechnology is using very verytiny i mean infinitesimally tiny uh machines robots for example that arecreated out of polymers and other artificial materials and is these theseare actually on the atomic level so we're even going below the molecularlevel on the atomic level these little bots the plan the series that they can be released into thebloodstream they will contain a perfect

roadmap so to speak of your dna aperfect plan of your dna they will go in they will enter cells and they'll findinstances of broken dna as you know places where genetic mistakes have beenmade these are the things that contribute to aging and they wouldrebuild yourselves from the inside out and they would do this throughout yourwhole body they were destroyed they would they would do repair cells thenthey would repair organs and they would repair your whole body so i think thelife-extension really only becomes meaningful when you can arrest the agingprocess i need to live a very long time in avery advanced stage of aging i don't

think anybody would choose that to me itall depends on how far the science gets in my lifetime but i would live i wouldi would like to stay younger and live a considerably longer than the lifespan ifeel like i have a lot of things i'd like to do a lot of things on my bucketlist that that i could do if i could just possibly live a few more decades soyou know i i think it's it all depends on how things pan out in the next 20-30years mhm you know i used to sell would loveto be to live to be 200 years of age but but as i progress i lost my father in2015 as a progress and i lose more people that i've loved i'm not sure thati want to be 200 years removed from the

last time i saw somebody that loved youknow what i mean absolutely do and i think a lot of people would feel thatway people have lost spouses who say well no you know i i would want to bewith my spouse i don't want to live another 60 years without him or her youknow i mean i think that's a valid choice it should be available to anybodywho wants to take it and one of the things that are write about in my bookthat was very important to me is that people should always have theright to decide to reject enhancement so or life extension and there should be nostigma attached to that i think there's a whole number of valid reasons whypeople would want to do that on the

other hand i think people should beallowed to embrace it i don't think i think what we need issomething that the scandinavian philosopher anderss and bird calls morphologicalfreedom so morphological freedom is the freedom to do to your body or changeyour body in any way that you choose so i think if we protect that abilityfor people on either side and all sides of this issue will be on safe ground mhm ill or when we as a society decidedto take this path down the enhancement of humanity would we not be removing anaspect of humanity from the homo sapien

species well we might be we don't know becausewe haven't done it yet but uh certainly theoretically that's possible and and ithink that takes us in the direction of what i called transhumanismtranshumanism used to be kind of a out there kind of crazy you knowcounterculture kind of the theory that people would actually change themselvesto the point what we were no longer be homo sapiens however i think conventional medicineconventional research is taking us in the direction that we may very wellchange the whole species and i and i

think what we've seen that up until thispoint as amazing as it is is going to just increase and you know exponentiallyso as computers get stronger and you know science gets better and people getsmarter in terms of how you know they're the research that they've been able toyou know to build upon one step building on another i think there is a point where we mightactually become transhuman and should we really you know should we embrace thatthat's another question and i think we need to have that conversation we shouldbe having that conversation now because we actually do have treatments that arepeople aren't told at the time that they

received for example a you know anartificial hard or even a cardiac defibrillator this is going to greatlyextend your life it's also going to greatly complicate your dying processthere are other side of it that were that are simply not in the public eyethat are not really being discussed as people embrace more and more of thesetechnologies so you know i i really think we need to be having a publicdiscourse i wish the mainstream media covered these types of issues more oftenbecause people do need to know your doctors aren't telling you everythingthat you need to know they may not understand it themselves but there'sresearch out there and there's people

who study these issues and and a lot ofthese issues have been identified and isolated and i think that we need to behaving a conversation about it mhm what do you think the mentalcapacity or the let's see here well what the mental state would be ofsomebody who decided to become a transhuman because i know at some pointor another you were working for the american psychiatric association us sowhat do you think the mental state would be of someone who might have putthemselves into a scientific study to replace their heart their lungs iscetera with mechanical or artificial organs did you do you think their mentalstate would change that they might not

feel that they are human anymore what well i think that uh it strikes at theheart of how we define a human being you know for example the traditionalways of defining a human being number one having a human genome has been oneof the touchstones of how we define human but if we were for example to takesnippets of dna from other species to retard aging or cure disease then thegenome isn't a hundred percent human that's not something that we reallytalked about but i think it's these technologies mature and as more and morepeople adopt them we are going to need to start thinking about what is it thatdefines a human being and if i have

these technologies will at some pointwell i become more machine than human well i i think that it's possible thatsome people at some point will the question is will they see themselvesdifferently will other people see them differentlyyou know i i wrote about a case of a woman who did receive an artificialheart for a number of months and this heart was a being used as a bridge totransplant so it wasn't a permanent implant but then she had a deviceimplanted in her chest and then she had to have a you know a hose basicallyconnected to an open wound in her body that went to a driver that she wore in abackpack this machine made a constant

sound i mean you could hear the sound ofit swishing it sounded like a heartbeat andit made various noises that other people sound disturbing and as you said it didcreate some awkward social situations and you know not everybody was willingto accept that without being a little bit too freaked out by it so yeah ithink those are important issues and you bring up the issue of mental healthbecause that's another really super important issue here for going to extendlife i don't think a person who has severe depression for example wouldnecessarily want to live another hundred years so again we need to work oncheering and helping and treating and

managing some of these illnesses to makeradical life extension meaningful mmm yes over the next several years 10 15whatever years is going to be how are we going to make sure that thesenecessities these needed artificial organs medicines that they are going tobe affordable to individuals when in today's age i mean just recently we'veheard where company ceos are increasing medications and glucose strips he saidover four hundred percent that they're putting profits over helping otherpeople so how are we going to combat that and make sure that these neededitems are going to get into the hands of

people who need them well you know we need to keep in mindthat as since the beginning of medicine people who have money have always beenthe first one to receive whatever innovation was coming along and thenover time they slowly trickle down to the rest of the masses but there'salready an enormous tension in our medical system that has to do withdisparities and we don't have and in this country at least we don't haveuniversal coverage so here we do have a problem and i think that it is going tobe something that's gonna it in in entail re-examining our medical systemand re-examining the way we distributed

however if we have universal access iscanada and britain in a lot of other countries have and these technologiesare covered by universal healthcare then you won't have the disparity problem somuch but it's a huge problem in this country and i think that's somethingthat we need to we need to evaluate ways and you know how how we get all of thepeople who need medical care insured for one thing and how we get insurancecompanies and drug companies and the purveyors of medicine to to operate on afair basis and not two gals people who who desperately need their treatments soit is a big problem and i don't know

what the answer is i honestly don't knowwhat the short-term andrews but i do think looking forward maybe decades fromnow that this this type of in technology is going to put pressure on the systemlike never before if you have some people who can live tobe a hundred and sixty years old and other people are dying at the age of 75i think that's going to put tremendous pressure on the system yes and animal and part of the solutionmaybe political union may be political cell i don't know what the answer is buti think that there will be an answer and i think it will come out of hard-earnedexperience over the next few decades in

the book brave new world we see thatadvancements in technology medical etc but they cause or that they can causenew and worse problems to arise could cutting-edge technology cause the massextinction of organic humans that the current day humans that if we were toenhance human beings and say twenty-five percent of the humans take theseenhancements could there be new illnesses new diseases that are born totackle the new enhanced humans that might just be like a small code to thembut to us it's going to completely wipe us out well obviously the potential is therefor these sorts of things to happen i'm

a lot of it depends on how we solvethese problems these bioethical problems step-by-step as we go forward and as ayou know having a things like artificial organs inevitably will create issuesthat we may not be able to anticipate today and and you know we have two on alevel say okay we know that we're going to have issues that we can't predictwill we are what we be able to solve them so i think the decision there it isa decision it's a decision of whether we go forward with a certain level of faithand confidence that we will solve these problems as we go along or if we decideno we don't really trust people to solve this problem so we're going to shut downresearch i don't think that's a

realistic option i i think if thetechnology exists there will be a demand for it no especially when you have a for-profitmedical system like we have in america i think its people can stave offdisability and gas those are those are very compelling needs and you cannotreally turn that off i i think people will demand the technology and thecutting edges of the cutting edge of technology as long as it exists and aslong as the possibility is there so i happen to be one of those people whothink that well ultimately i think we can make a lot of mistakes butultimately i i do have a certain level

of confidence that we will be able toharness these technologies and use them appropriately mhm one thing that was coming to my mindas i was reading your book there's nothing in your book about this for mymind works strangely it's one of those stranger things is that i was wonderingif in the future we could get rid of the racial divide as in genetically changethe dna of every single human being introduced all racial dna's into eachperson like we can create a child that is caucasian african-american asianwhatever you will and that get rid of the racial issues

well you know i happen to be an optimistso you know my my thoughts on the matter better probably so little bit skewed inthe direction of a you know being optimistic but you know people areactually doing that already you know and it just in terms of inter marriage wehave more intermarriage today than we ever had we have more children who areare racially mixed then have ever existed in the history of the world andi think is we continue to see you know masses migrations of people so that youknow the people of europe have actually have a quite a few africans and middleeastern people and people of other asian races that are moving into europe so ithink over time especially if we

continue to have the right kind ofsocial climate that more and more people will enter marry and have children ofmixed race and that eventually over a long period of time race will becomecompletely meant meaningless it just won't be an issue certainly hope so icertainly hope that's the way it is i personally have native american blood inme i'm irish scottish english cetera and i was raised around a african-americansall my life i love them just like they were my family members some of themthat's just where i was raised so when i see this huge racial divide when ibecame average and i got out in the real world it was a huge it just blew my mindbecause that wasn't the way i was raised

and i wish more people could see the wayi see things that there's no real difference between us and other peopleor the difference is so tiny so minuscule i mean even you know for thescientists who study raise the genetic differences between uh northern europeanand say an american indian are so infinitely infinitesimally i mean everyfar less than 1% we have very few changes very very few differencesbetween us and you know the problem is social the problem really is social because ifwe can accept the fact that we're all one big melting pot and actually talkabout your heritage and then that's very

interesting because you know 200 yearsago you would not have seen people who have that kind of mix in their heritagethe united states was a huge experiment in that respect we're mixing we don't consider you knowirish and and french as a mixing races but genetically we are so i mean youknow i think that's already happening and nothing terrible has happened ithink you're american people haven't have a very rich genetic history andthat's been very good for us and i think that's a good thing and i think we'llsee more of it mhm let's hope so let's hope so in yourbook again it's beyond human how

cutting-edge science is extending ourlives you do discuss how nanotechnology i believe it is could be going into herbrain and enhancing our intelligence may be helping us think but what's thepotential of somebody hacking into the nanotechnology and taking over yourthoughts well it is a huge problem and you know i think we all know by now thatthere is no such thing as cybersecurity to make matters a little morecomplicated all the implants that people are receiving whether their cardiacdevices or brain implants or artificial organs are more other kinds ofmonitoring devices are creating a data stream that data stream is going intoyour electronic health record eventually

so there's a movement in medicine now toput everything into an electronic record as we accept these implants and overtime those records will contain a huge amount of data about us that includesbrain implants i mean you can put in their brain implants being to let beingdeveloped by the us military to treat traumatic brain injury thatwill actually enhance memory well they do that but they also submitinformation wirelessly they transmit information wirelessly so anything thatis transmittable is hackable and that is a problem and i don't know that we havean answer to that i think that's another question that we need to be looking verycarefully at is who has access to the

most influent intimate information aboutus and that is what's going on in our brains because implants are now beingdeveloped that not only read brain signals and and deliver pulses and causechanges in the brain but also receive signals from the brain and also are ableto on some level created database that tells other people potentially maybe notspecifically what i thoughts are a but something along those lines somethingclose enough that we we should be concerned and i i think it is a concerni i don't have the answer to that but i it's something it's another issue thatis so much bigger than all of this it's a huge issue going forward in the futureand every level it's also interesting

but it's it can be scary if it's in thewrong hands the like you said there's an ethical dilemma potentially and we haveto get around that we have to figure out what the best options are how we'regoing to handle each situation to decide what the laws are going to be what's theboundaries absolutely i mean there should be a billof rights for patients who have electronic data in existence about theirabout their biological and even their mental processes i think we need a billof rights and it's something that definitely should be looked at and i ama little disappointed that you know there isn't in the political season thatthere isn't more discussion about these

types of technologies and the need tocreate some kind of regulatory emphasis infrastructure not only now only but internationally to to basicallyharness and contain and keep this information safe and out of the wronghands i have to assume that the average personwhether they're the average american or elsewhere that they're just not awarethat this technology is even being brought to light that it's just notbeing discussed so therefore they don't know anything about it and that's whyit's not being discussed politically absolutely it's not and you know andthat's that's something that are our

journalistic community also needs topick up on i think it is reported on it is the this information is out there andit's discoverable but most people don't know that it exists so how do you go outlooking for something that you don't know exist that's a real problem i andyou know it is something that people need to educate themselves about becausei think in the future and evidently we will be creating regulations to controlthis technology and if you're gonna be you know an educated voter in a systemlike ours you really need to have a basic understanding of the science andand where it's going mmm yes speaking of educated voters iheard something what was it that a lot

of voters aren't educated that they justvote for whoever is that at the very top of the list that's a poor decision okay well it'snot an educated system you know that's that's the problem and i i honestly withyou know that's a whole other show we go talk about that for another hour butit's true i mean there is a dirt and understanding out there about where thetechnology is and that was going to you know greatly impact those of us who werealive today yes it will really about definitelyappreciated that you came here with us this evening has been truly fascinatingi love your book again it is beyond

human how cutting-edge science isstanding our lives and folks i i definitely recommend that you read thisbook it is available through amazon and i guess through most of the bookstore'sright eve yeah it's out there and now it's in barnes and noble that you canorder it easily on amazon before we go is there anything you would like toshare with the audience and no i think we've pretty much touched on theimportant issues and a you certainly a you know brought up the bioethical sideof things and that i think is decide that people need to get engaged in imean even if you're you know the average person isn't going to sit down and reada scientific paper but if you understand

that these this really hit home i meanthese issues do hit home and there are ethical you know decisions to be madethat can very intimately effect effect you want a personal level and you needto know about that mmm one more thing that just came tomind when we're talking about transhumanism and nanotechnology how itcan change our lives with stem cells etc with this make it easier for people whothink that they have been born in the wrong body to physically change tochange from male to female physically you know if for example i mean this isjust pure speculation that for example if you could create artificial glandsthat actually do i generate hormones and

transplant those into people thenpotentially you could i mean now we have people who are tendered who takehormones but if you had a gland you had an artificial gland in your body thatwas creating testosterone on a regular basis surely that would be more effective thanjust giving yourself a shot every so often em nosso president you know i meanit's possible anything is possible at this point i think the important thing is that weknow where we're going with this we understand that you know when youmake changes like that to your body

most of them are not reversible so ithink that's where the conversation needs to be on that is that yes we willhave much more effective ways of doing all of these things but because they'reso effective they won't be reversible and that ladies and gentlemen was eveharold yves book is beyond human hell cutting-edge science is extending ourlives and again if you are interested in reading the book you can go tomysterious matters.com / beyond human so folks what do you think after listeningto this program what do you think belt extending ourlives becoming beyond human would it be like where we may be enhancing ourselveswho might be changing humanity but for

the worse with that so ladies andgentlemen until the next time we do come back together i wish you all a kind farewell yeah on this edition of an ward winning radio show that is catching up to coast to coast am we have on eve herold. topics for today will include designer babies, growing organs through stem cell research and cloning of humans. artificial pancreas and artificial kidneys coast to coast 2016, paranormal radio

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